LOL? Peres played S.LEAGUE for 16years?!

Originally Posted by kumstercheong

Yup. Not made in China, but made with blood and genes from China.

The Americans are made with blood and genes from everywhere. Yet African-Americans don't usually call themselves Nigerian or Egyptian, German-Americans don't call themselves German, and Anglo-Saxon Americans think themselves American, not Brit. (Some even sneer at Britain or Ireland!)

We've evolved into something else. For better or worse. Deal with it.

Originally Posted by kumstercheong

Where in my post did I say that we are China? I was sharing with what the Chinese are doing in their youth soccer setup.

Your answer is the real problem that we are facing. We have a big fat superior ego and we are unwilling to learn from less developed countries although it has been proven that some of their methods do work. If we are always standing stuck in the mud on top of a hill without looking what's around and following what's had been proven, we will always be where we are.

We got to get rid of the ya-ya attitude.

where got ya-ya? why must follow china? their methods works? they got a wider pool of player (hundreds times than us?) even after all these, they are not even a world football power... country with world's biggest population ranked only 83rd in the world? their national team struggled to beat us in the past few meetings...

be realistic. just because you know china, we have to follow china? want to follow, follow countries with similar profile like us, small countries, small population... ie like new zealand, bahrain, slovenia, rep of ireland... which are way better than china

Originally Posted by kumstercheong

This is getting more and more irrelvant to this thread and forum. But I still wanna have the last words here .

Which you shall not have the pleasure of having. Not least because it's not irrelevant at all.

It is not irrelevant because it's an issue of identity and identification. Singapore has evolved into the creature it is, separate and distinct from its original elements. And rightly proudly so, for it is a key step in self-actualization and self-determination. To be perpetually beholden to our roots would be to perpetually allow ourselves to be stuck on one ground.

The way you've just run your last few lines suggest, or perhaps even scream out loud, that you've got some China-identification thing going on that has long metamorphed into a disdain for Singaporeans who feel that Singapore-identification. That may not make you the next Zhang Yuanyuan, but at one level you leave behind an impression that is far worse.

That's something for you to chew on alongside your next meal. I won't know what that is, but it probably won't be Hainanese chicken rice.

Originally Posted by kumstercheong

I have not heard Americans calling themselves Brit-Americans, but have came across Americans who introduced themselves as Jewish-American, German-American (Pennsylvania Amish especially) and most of the times in New England area, Irish-American. I guess this is down to how much of the cultures the ancestors preserve and brought over to the New World.

Yet German-Americans are as likely to use Braun or Karcher electrical appliances as they would use Tefal or Ariston. And the Irish-Americans in New England see themselves as American first, as will their children and grandchildren. Ireland is their yesterday, but America will be their future.

Similarly, the old streets of Beijing may be one of our many yesterdays (relatively rare considering most Singaporean Chinese trace their roots to southern China, not northern China), but Orchard Road (where Li Ning must share floor space with Adidas and Puma at ION Orchard) is our future.

Originally Posted by kumstercheong

So, tell me. For all you wrote, what has all these got to do with my first post on the youth football structure in China? I can't relate to it.

The China part. Duh!

If you stopped posturing as if China had the answer to everything apart from how to cook chicken rice and slice bread (just because that's where your ancestors happened to come from and where you're probably working now), you'd probably have irritated far fewer people here. Okay, maybe you didn't mean it that way, so now that I've told you, go think about it.

You are after all in China, the motherland of thinkers and philosophers, no?

Originally Posted by kumstercheong

Was I not clear in my first posting or were you guys biased to the level that you can't even understand my post? Where in my first posting did I say that China has the answer to everything? It was a response that Home did not have to be 'malu'.

my honest answer, just because you are in beijing, doesn't mean you can stuff into our face what China does for their football. they're not even good.

if you had noticed, the climate here with regards to china football is not good.

the china media, clubs and teams constantly look down on us, thinking they can trash us anytime. bad track record of previous china clubs in s-league. to top it all, BGT selection over YSR, definitely left a very sour taste... my advice, go easy on what you say for china football...