Well, based on that, where would you rank Jeon Kyeong Joon, who played one season for Home United and was a sensation in that time, and is a former ACL winner?
thats like saying djimi traore is a world beater as he is a 2005 champs lge winner...
lets be honest here..he was the top scorer twice in the algerian league and with that kind of scoring record, was surely instrumental in the 2 CAF Cups they won..
and during the league cup, from wht i saw from dpmm, berguiga's movement and overall contribuition to the game is a class above.. no one could tackle him, he makes incisive passes, his off the ball movement is fantastic and who could forget that counter attacking goal he created, moved and like a sniper, headed it into the net?
i know we all dont really like dpmm and that guys like sutee have been the "delights" of our league for many years now.. but seriously, i think berguiga's records speak for itself....
But even if what you say is true (which isn't the point) it doesn't answer the question. Where would you rank individuals based on their respective achievements wherever those achievements happened?
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that is a fair point...but i have 2 things to say with regards to this
1st) on what i have seen: as i said berguiga's overall play is really of a different level, the way he runs with the ball is really beautiful to watch, and the eye for the killer pass he possesses is unbelievable for this region... he always runs into good positions and he is a very good striker of the ball
2nd) on the question u presented: well if the two leagues concerned are of a similar standard or close to similar standard (eg.. thai and sleague) then what was achieved overseas definitely says nothing about the standard of the player now or then
but if a player did come from a really superior league (unless u are telling me the algerian league is of the same standard or is worse than the sleague by which i think that will be deluded) then u have to take into account of his achievements in that league
fair enough but i liken him to someone like scholesy..has a low profile..but is a very important member in the squad due to his contribuitions to the all round game..
he isnt a player that goes out and screams headlines...but he is kinda like the shadow that pulls the strings together.. when i watch dpmm sure i look foward to jerkovic's shots and free kicks cos they scream headlines but berguiga's intelligence and overall play doesn go unfounded..
well i have seen hmmm lets see..i have seen sergio 'kun' aguero play much more than maradona and aguero has thrilled me to the max so come on he is hundred times better than maradona right?
thing is i NEVER said sutee sucked...FAR FROM IT..what i am saying is that the CAF Cup and algerian league are of a much higher standard than the sleague or anything in SEA and for him to have left an imprint on those competitions tells us that this guy has achieved some very big feats..
obviously he is old now but i would imagine that in his prime, he is a better player than suksomsit
I didn't accuse you of saying 'Sutee sucks'. But you said you rate Berguiga over Sutee.
And with your last line you highlighted the flaw behind your evaluation - you imagined how good Berguiga was when he was younger.
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that is a fair point...but i have 2 things to say with regards to this
1st) on what i have seen: as i said berguiga's overall play is really of a different level, the way he runs with the ball is really beautiful to watch, and the eye for the killer pass he possesses is unbelievable for this region... he always runs into good positions and he is a very good striker of the ball
2nd) on the question u presented: well if the two leagues concerned are of a similar standard or close to similar standard (eg.. thai and sleague) then what was achieved overseas definitely says nothing about the standard of the player now or then
but if a player did come from a really superior league (unless u are telling me the algerian league is of the same standard or is worse than the sleague by which i think that will be deluded) then u have to take into account of his achievements in that league
On 1), if he's that good, he'd be on 8 goals or so already by now. He's on 3. Even if you claim that he has been unselfishly setting other people up, DPMM are on 25 goals in the league so far, the lowest in the top six and only two more than 9th-placed Albirex. In comparison, Laakkad hit 23 goals in the league in his debut season with Woodlands, who scored a very impressive 60 goals in 30 league games that year (2006). Jeon, the other example I cited, is on 13 out of the 49 Home scored that same year. Both were also decent water carriers for their team that same season, setting their teammates up for goals aplenty.
On 2), again considering the examples I have cited, I don't think the K-League can be said to be clearly inferior to the Algerian league. Algeria by the way is a fading force in Africa ever since the last time they qualified for the World Cup in 1986. Which then presents the tricky question: How do you compare leagues or tournaments given the difficulty of placing them on an absolute linear scale? You can say our league is weaker than the EPL or Championship - that's very clearcut - but holistically, how do you do the finer measurements?
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1st) on what i have seen: as i said berguiga's overall play is really of a different level, the way he runs with the ball is really beautiful to watch, and the eye for the killer pass he possesses is unbelievable for this region... he always runs into good positions and he is a very good striker of the ball
Agree that it is an awesome sight to see him running with the ball past defenders, but honestly, the word 'UNBELIEVABLE' is far too generous.
Alex Duric four years ago (at 35) and Mirko Grabovac even while he was at Tampines in his thirties, used to glide past defenders frequently as well.
They are arguably two of the best strikers in S-League history though, so I think Berguiga can be well proud of himself.
But unbelivable? No.
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Let me try to clarify something, because it looks like I started all these.
When I say Berguiga is perhaps the best to be playing here since Nakajima, I was:
1) excluding all players that play in the League before Nakajima, because that would makes thing too wide (hence Estili and Khakpour was excluded).
2) excluding all players who are currently playing in the S-League (it will sound quiet funny if that line is apply to a current player).
Jeon Kyung-Joon did not came across to me at that moment. So I excluded him as well. But given his achievement in Asia, I think he would more than match if not exceed those of Berguiga in Africa.
And we all have our own way of ranking each and every player, based on our own preference. Doesn't mean one is superior to another. Just different perference.
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